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A necessary pain...

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A necessary pain sent on May 04, 2023 (6:07) by Rombro. 151 comments, 13021 views.  [editors pick] [retina]

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sent on March 13, 2025 (18:53) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

As I added above, I just played around a bit with chat gpt several months ago...
I don't remember if it was already there but now I see the attach button... interesting...
Thank you Lorenzo..

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sent on March 13, 2025 (23:16) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

Joking aside, you can really talk about everything, the new models now understand even jokes and distinguish when you are ironic from the times you act more seriously, he understands the dialect very well. He talks about philosophy and, for example, about Severino or Heidegger as if nothing had happened.
Limits: he does not know how to count, he or she gets the wrong day of the week, they do not let him or her listen to the audio of uploaded videos, he or she cannot access social networks, such as Instagram.
They don't give him/her the keys to atomic weapons. ;-)

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sent on March 13, 2025 (23:23) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

Did you try to feed him that note of SeDerino? :-D

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sent on March 13, 2025 (23:27) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

I wouldn't want to generate a monster. :-P
However, I asked her (we are talking about ChatGPT in the female sense, it is easier being an AI and not a Mr. AI) if it is true that when asked if God exists, she replied years ago: "Now yes". He laughed saying that it is a mythical joke and basically confirming the circumstance.

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sent on March 13, 2025 (23:38) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

Then I guess it's still far from being an Überfrau :-D

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sent on March 13, 2025 (23:40) | This comment has been translated

Sorriso

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sent on March 13, 2025 (23:44) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

At this point, can you reveal the meaning of authorship, that is, yours, to this beautiful photo?
I like to think that AI has caught us when it talks about "... fragility of the human mind: The image can also suggest the weight of the intellect and the risk of madness, with the mind on fire to represent the overload of thoughts, knowledge or existential torments". But maybe we patch both.

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sent on March 14, 2025 (0:05)


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Non credo di poter aggiungere molto rispetto a quello che ha già disvelato ChatGPT MrGreen
L'idea sostanziale era proprio quella del "dolore necessario" a cui ci si deve sottoporre quando ci si mette radicalmente in discussione nel confrontarsi col Sapere (o almeno, io l'ho sempre vissuta (anche) come una forma di autocritica...non di conquista) nella sua inevitabile ambiguità.
Però mi rendo anche conto che ho un vissuto psicologico alle spalle che mi ha "catapultato" in questa direzione...quindi non vuole necessariamente essere un'idea universale.
Ma credo che quando si mette in moto il pensiero con una certa "foga", ci si sente destabilizzati in qualche misura e i principi a cui solitamente ci si aggrappa per sopravvivere (i macro-concetti sulla maschera) tendono a sgretolarsi (in questo caso a bruciare :-P).
E, chiaramente, il "luogo" in cui ci si ritrova per quel tipo di esplorazione non poteva che essere rappresentato da un'ambientazione poco rassicurante :)


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sent on March 14, 2025 (2:50) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

Anyway, as I wrote in the other 3D, chat gpt to sing it and play it alone is really a marvel.... :-D I showed him a couple of photos and what compliments, he made me gloat... :-D :-D

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sent on March 14, 2025 (3:00) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

Ah well but in that sense I don't think there is the possibility of making him decree that a photo makes shit. Not even by taking one at random from the Supreme :-D

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sent on March 14, 2025 (3:08) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

:-D yes I agree....!! :-D
But she surprised me for how detailed she was in commenting on the photos, moreover she wanted to know if I had used filters or what else, like where I had taken it etc... that is, I forgot that I was talking to a program..........

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sent on April 25, 2025 (20:00) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

As soon as I saw it I thought: "See what happens if you don't pay your electricity bills?" 8-)
I understand that the author does not appreciate flowers, landscapes & Co, and that he loves photography committed , however, if to understand the meaning of a photo, I have to have degrees, with PhDs, in more than one discipline, perhaps, and I emphasize the maybe, the photo is not a photo.
I think that no image, not even reportage images, is free from an upstream construction, but here the construction is excessive and overwhelming compared to everything else.
Personal, debatable opinion.

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sent on April 26, 2025 (14:45) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

And what will you ever see in it that is so complicated that you need educational qualifications to receive something? :)
It makes me smile also because someone who is just eighth grade tells you this.
These are photos thought out at the table, it is normal that they are constructed. What do you find excessive?
Conceptually it does not require who knows what preparation or erudition to "understand" it... Basically, without wanting to be too reductionist, it is a matter of reacting differently to a very basic and universal thing, that is, profound ignorance (the famous "not knowing") that belongs to everyone indiscriminately.
It is clear that if the issue does not interest or resonate in any way, it will be difficult to find this appreciable image.
But this is an upstream problem that has nothing to do with photographic translation (or in any case visual translation in general).

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sent on April 26, 2025 (19:55) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

someone who is just eighth grade tells you.

All the more reason to consider as mere pieces of paper certain certificates of "culture" or rather "inculturation" frequent and often scarce on our shores; and this is told to you by someone who, as you know, had seven in conduct in high school (and who then, with great difficulty, continued: but it means nothing).
Your photos are among the most interesting and evocative of the forum; the search for meaning, a puzzle that can ultimately fascinate.

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sent on April 26, 2025 (22:36) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

What do you find excessive?

Everything, every photo is constructed, even those that do not seem so, the construction begins with choosing the focal length, the point of view, ... but the construction should be functional to the message you want to convey, in your case the construction is the message, the immediacy of the reading is missing, which does not necessarily have to be univocal, everyone has their own, in your image I don't find it, there is an elaborative complexity that submerges the message that should/would like to transmit.
But, as I have already written, it is my opinion.

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sent on April 26, 2025 (23:09)


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Non ho capito: dici che questa complessità elaborativa è una cosa che non pertiene al medium fotografico che invece, secondo te, dovrebbe avere una sua immediatezza di lettura e ricezione?

Spesso, nei commenti alle mie foto, si è giocato sul "rebus" come se ci fosse una soluzione da risolvere.

Accetto anche il gioco ma nella misura in cui, simpaticamente, capisco la poca abitudine a ritrovare in un fotogramma una serie di elementi che al cervello impigrito possono apparire come "indecifrabili" (siamo pure onesti...quante foto del genere trovi sul forum?).

Non parlerei nemmeno di messaggio perché, per come la vivo, il mezzo fotografico non si è rivelato altro che un modo per tirare fuori cose personali ma in cui potenzialmente chiunque può ritrovarsi a riflettere.

Non ci sono formule scientifiche qui...bastano due occhi ed una testa. Sta poi ad ognuno ritrovarci qualcosa che sia interessante o risonante...ma non è un obbligo né penso che ci siano regole o limiti a cui attenersi per non risultare troppo complicati :)




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sent on April 27, 2025 (15:00)


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Cerco di spiegarmi partendo da un'opera famosissima :





Dimentichiamo che, credenti o meno, tutti conoscono quest'opera e cosa rappresenti.

Analizziamola prima dal punto di vista più semplice, quello della costruzione geometrica, è una piramide che ha per base il drappeggio dell'abito della donna e per vertice la sua testa, una figura semplice, solida ma dinamica.

Adesso veniamo ai "messaggi", chiunque intuisce che rappresenti la morte, non c'è bisogno di studi per capirlo, non ha importanza chi siano il morto e la donna, è un messaggio di dolore.

Andiamo più in profondità, è una morte tragica, le ferite sulle mani, sui piedi e sul costato lo testimoniano, questo unito alla giovane età della vittima, il volto di Cristo è di un uomo giovane, aumenta il dolore.

Andiamo ancora più a fondo, la donna che sorregge il corpo è giovanissima, praticamente coetanea dell'uomo morto, è la sorella, la moglie, un familiare...? ancora più dolore.

Senza scomodare, conoscenze, fede e religione... abbiamo già capito di fronte a cosa ci troviamo.

Adesso andiamo da "fedeli" ad analizzare l'opera, perché la Madonna è rappresentata coetanea di Cristo?
É una premonizione, la madre che sa e vede il destino del figlio?
Rappresenta semplicemente l'idea di Madonna-madre, slegata da contesti anagrafici, la morte di un figlio è il dolore più grande per una donna, a prescindere dall'età?

Potrei continuare per ancora parecchio, ma penso di aver reso l'idea di cosa intendo per " mancanza di immediatezza ed eccessiva costruzione" nella tua foto.


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sent on April 27, 2025 (15:20) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

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sent on April 27, 2025 (15:22)


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Sì ma...continuo a non capire dove starebbe il limite che separa l'immediato dal non immediato.

E, soprattutto, non vedo per quale motivo la non immediatezza dovrebbe essere un difetto :)

La mia non vuole essere una forma espressiva che si preoccupa di andare incontro al colto o all'analfabeta...non c'è alcuna intenzione di "parlare al mondo" e dunque essere più comprensibile possibile.

Il concetto di "non sapere" credo che chiunque possa percepirlo anche se in forma irrazionale e non "studiata".

Poi il "necessary pain" è riferito al mio modo di viverlo; ci metto la mia personale esperienza in questi lavori, anche se, come ho già detto, si tratta di temi su cui ci si può trovare a riflettere e discutere chiunque.

Dal mio punto di vista non c'è niente di così complicato qui da impedirne una lettura individuale.

Anzi, ti dirò che spesso la difficoltà che ritrovo nel realizzare queste foto (ed è uno dei motivi per il quale ne faccio poche) è che rischio sempre di semplificare un pensiero o un concetto in elementi visivi che, appunto, si tendono a vedere come simboli o significati che possono ridurre di molto l'ambiguità di ciò che parte dal pensiero. Ed è anche per questo che non mi piace risultare così diretto.


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sent on April 28, 2025 (8:03) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

If you recognize the Pietà, it is because they have already explained it to you. Let's not tell each other lies.
Then what does "constructed image" mean? Every photo we take, in one way or another, is. If only for the choice of optics and framing.
This is to put it simply. Then if you want to learn more there is staged photography...


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