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Tortolino and Marmolada Plover...

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Tortolino and Marmolada Plover sent on September 10, 2025 (20:27) by J.rigo. 44 comments, 1125 views. [retina]

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Uno degli ospiti più attesi sui pascoli montani: timido, raro e incredibilmente elegante. Anche quest'anno ho voluto ritrarlo a modo mio...a 24 millimetri con un panorama mozzafiato! ...ti auguro di proseguire questo lungo viaggio nel migliore dei modi, al prossimo anno



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sent on September 11, 2025 (8:02) | This comment has been translated

What a marvelous photo!

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sent on September 11, 2025 (8:02) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

I believe that the forum (if used correctly) is just the right place for growth and to teach respect, sensitivity and also how to be able to approach animals.
With the information on they are able to avoid situations in which photographers make the subjects fly and then yes I fully agree with you because it creates disturbance and damage in a very delicate moment!
The book explains the techniques and precautions to shoot subjects in their natural environment without disturbing them!
Without sensitivity and love for the subjects I guarantee you that these shots are not possible!!

avatarsenior
sent on September 11, 2025 (8:09) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

Jacopo is a wonderful photograph and from what I know you I think you are respectful of places and animals, as well as ethically correct.

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sent on September 11, 2025 (8:24) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

Photographer feeding tortolini with a bag full of mealworms.
Same place as in the photo, four years ago.
Image taken from Facebook, taken by another photographer who was passing by.



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sent on September 11, 2025 (8:50) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

Wonderful wide angle with feathered subject

avatarsenior
sent on September 11, 2025 (9:05) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

I believe that the forum (if used correctly) is just the right place for growth and to teach respect, sensitivity and also how to be able to approach animals.

Unfortunately, forums have taken a social drift and so I'm not so sure that they are still the best place to grow and learn. Even if on the one hand I understand (and appreciate) that they try to take slightly different photos to try to stand out from the crowd, on the other hand I fear that there may be repercussions on the poor subjects.
This is especially true on such habitual subjects, where everyone (or almost because personally the last time I went to photograph them I didn't see 1/2 :-D ) can know exactly when and where to find them.

avataradmin
sent on September 11, 2025 (9:27)


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Intervengo visto che mi è stata segnalata la questione.

Non conosco personalmente J.rigo, ma mi è sempre sembrato una persona attenta e rispettosa sia come fotografo che come membro del forum; dato che nessuno di noi era lì con lui al momento dello scatto penso che nessuno possa giudicare nel bene o nel male come è stata fatta (o paragonarlo ad altri che non centrano niente con lui).

Se poi i pivieri continuano a tornare in quello specifico punto, quando potrebbero scegliere tra qualsiasi altro posto nell'immensità delle montagne, immagino che alla fin fine non siano così disturbati dalla presenza di persone.

Ovviamente tanto per questi pivieri come per qualsiasi altro soggetto invito tutti a fotografare sempre nel rispetto degli animali e dell'ambiente, questa penso sia la base della fotografia naturalistica, però non penso si possa neppure lanciarsi in facili giudizi sull'operato altrui senza essere stati lì al momento dello scatto.


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sent on September 11, 2025 (9:43) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

If the subject were annoyed by my presence, he would already run away at 20 meters, let alone let himself be approached at half a meter!
I repeat that the first prerogative in nature photography is the sensitivity of the photographer!

avatarsenior
sent on September 11, 2025 (9:48) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

but I don't think you can even launch into easy judgments on the work of others without having been there at the time of the shot.

The discussion seems to me peaceful and balanced and in the comments there was no doubt about the work of those who took the photo. The speech was more generic and focused on the inevitable disturbance that is caused by photographing and the risk of "emulation".
The birds also return to swamps where they are shot, so the question ".. If then the plovers continue to return to that specific point .." in my opinion it leaves the time it finds ..

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sent on September 11, 2025 (9:58) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

It's not a matter if they return to the same point, if a subject doesn't run away, it means that he's not annoyed or disturbed!

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sent on September 11, 2025 (10:11) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

My speech was different. Let's assume that you didn't disturb them because you are good at approaching, you are particularly shrewd and you have gained good experience.
You will agree with me that if after you (because attracted by the success of a photo, because you are fascinated by the photos set or because "if he went I'll go too!") go first 5, then 10, then 20 people who take shots first at 50mm then at 24mm then at 14mm the risk of disturbing will increase .. Or am I wrong?
Of course, I don't want to make any controversy with you, mine was a more generalized speech, naturally stimulated by this image.

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sent on September 11, 2025 (10:31) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

I understand your speech... if the subject is annoyed he makes a "jog" already at 10/20 meters and then you see him if he lets himself be approached or not, the important thing is to study the subject and perceive when he lets himself be approached and when you have to desist!
If the subject wasn't so confident, I wouldn't have approached either!

avatarsenior
sent on September 11, 2025 (10:46) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

Sensitivity of the photographer in the choice of groundbait apparently :-D :-D :-D

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sent on September 11, 2025 (10:50)


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" Non ho parole!

Anzi... un paio di parole ce le ho:

1) non è affatto vero che il piviere tortolino sia "timido, raro" come nella didascalia della foto. Contro il fatto che sia un uccello timido ci sono decenni di letteratura ("spesso molto confidente" Brichetti-Fracasso, Ornitologia Italiana vol 2) e secoli di tradizione (= il pasticcio di Chartres, tanto per dirne una). Sul raro , bastano le decine di siti dove viene fotografato durante il passo autunnale in tutta Italia.
ma soprattutto:
2) passare ore vicino a degli animali che stanno migrando e si sono fermati in un luogo per riposare, rifocillarsi e poi riprendere il viaggio è una delle cose più sbagliate che un fotografo di natura possa fare. Un animale stanco non ha bisogno di ulteriore stress, per cui basta avvicinarlo con cautela, fare due foto e poi andarsene via. Chi scambia l'animale che si lascia avvicinare per un animale tranquillo dimostra solo di non aver capito nulla di ornitologia e di etica.
Nel luogo in cui è stata scattata questa foto ho visto fotografi rincorrere i pivieri per farli involare, altri arrivare con la funivia poco dopo le 9 ed andarsene alle 17 dopo aver passato otto ore vicino ai limicoli, altri ancora pasturarli con sacchetti pieni di tarme della farina. In questi ultimi quindici giorni, dopo un paio d'anni di relativa calma, è stato un vero assalto ai pivieri in quella località. Ma tanto lo sappiano, per molti fotografi il fine giustifica i mezzi.
"


Finalmente!!! E soprattutto... Chi se ne sbatte le balle della Natura, l'importante sono i like alla foto ed il successo social.

Mamma mia poveri pivieri circondati da questi 'amanti della natura'.


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sent on September 11, 2025 (10:52) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

I break a spear in favor of Jacopo, who I don't even know personally, I have been taking nature photos for 44 years always respecting the subjects, I also photographed them with a wide angle a few years ago in another location, if you lie on the ground and do not move the subjects are not at all annoyed by your presence and approach quietly, I also saw tall photographers chasing them and making them fly and there I got with them and explained to them that it was wrong, unfortunately lately the race for photonaturalistic photography has become absurd
bye
Danilo

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sent on September 11, 2025 (10:57) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

Here it feeds ... apparently!
I also made the tortolini with the 24 fifteen years ago, but I was not attached to them for 8 hours and I did not feed them.
And then at the time there were two of us, not fifty.
Unfortunately, the race for likes is devastating entire environments.

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sent on September 11, 2025 (11:05) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

Spectacular photo, full stop.
If the plovers return, it is only a good sign.

avatarsenior
sent on September 11, 2025 (11:08) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

Spectacular photo, full stop.
If the plovers return, it is only a good sign.

Then let's count how many compared to the past... never mind goes. Continue to take pictures of the walls of the houses.

avatarsenior
sent on September 11, 2025 (11:09) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

@Giallo63 exactly! The shot first of all, the rest who cares! :-)

avatarsupporter
sent on September 11, 2025 (11:10) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

I didn't stay 8 hours either, why do you invent things?
And enough with this thing of photos for likes, think that I have been doing photography for 15 years, every moment I can, for likes :-o ???
If you don't know the person, don't judge!


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