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The jump of the ditch sent on March 19, 2022 (18:39) by Jacopo Maffei. 25 comments, 963 views. [retina]

at 36mm, 1/1250 f/8.0, ISO 6400, hand held.

Tratto tecnico della gravel con passaggio in un torrente roccioso. Commenti, critiche e consigli benvenuti!



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sent on March 20, 2022 (9:00) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

This shot is very nice, the cyclist in the foreground and excellently in focus and gives dynamism to the
photoTanti congratulations

JacopociaoPierpaolo ;-)

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sent on March 21, 2022 (11:14) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

@Alcenero Thank you, too kind. I had studied "the appostamento" by positioning myself inside the ditch.
Greetings ;-)

avatarsenior
sent on March 21, 2022 (16:01) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

This is how it is done, the important thing is that they do not come on you :-D

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sent on March 28, 2022 (20:06) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

Very nice also this technical step, the 6400 ISO can be seen. ;-)

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sent on March 31, 2022 (11:08) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

@Fiorenzofanton Unfortunately yes, thrilling light conditions throughout the event, as had rarely happened to me. :-(

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sent on March 31, 2022 (17:05) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

Another beautiful dynamic shot, excellently composed; to spoil a bit 'a beautiful image the showy reflection in the center: no hood, or am I wrong?
A warm greeting .
Leonardo

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sent on March 31, 2022 (18:28) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

@Wolfschanz I'm sorry to contradict you, the hood never detaches it but the lens in question has a poor resistance to flare. I think an "added value" was its angle, grazing laterally.
Had I had the 24-70 was better :-P
Greetings!

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sent on March 31, 2022 (20:43) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

No problem! I had hypothesized, since once something like this had happened to me precisely because of the lack of the hood.
Undoubtedly, in particular conditions even this very useful accessory is not enough.
A very cordial greeting.
Leonardo

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sent on September 27, 2022 (17:06) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

Sorry but I do not see the ditch, not even the jump and not even the technical passage, also counting the tanks they are using to make that path ...
why then 6400 ISO and 1/1250?

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sent on September 27, 2022 (17:58) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

No problem: from the top they jumped into the ditch (where I was also stationed), on the fact that it was technical so I had been illustrated by the organization and I guarantee that even I to get off was not easy so much so that even some of the participants went down on foot (here I agree on the "tanks" ;-) ).
The shooting data is "busted" because I decided to shoot freehand and I was informed that the flash would disturb the participants (stuff never seen!).
I am pleased, very pleased, to talk about and about the shots.

avatarsenior
sent on September 27, 2022 (18:38) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

Unfortunately in this kind of photo you risk falling into the banal if you do not find a nice passage in which to shoot (knowing the route is always a plus).
Then you have to see the purpose of the photos: you were looking for a spectacular photo or just souvenir photos of the individual steps.
In this particular place perhaps it was better to shoot in the steep stretch or catch them as soon as they climb from the tooth where there is the guy standing still waiting for free track.
The flash keep it for the undergrowth (very suggestive) here of light there is too much.

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sent on September 27, 2022 (19:22) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

I was asked for a classic reportage of the event but without precise indications. On the light I agree but it was very strong with a high contrast: either you were in full sun or in the darker darkness since it was also a "grazing" morning light. Great advice, thanks!

avatarsenior
sent on September 27, 2022 (19:38) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

Then maybe better the full darkness if you had a flash

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sent on September 28, 2022 (12:28)


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Trovo la composizione azzeccata e piacevole, in una situazione con diversi problemi di difficile soluzione

Concordo in generale con Andrea che esperienza sul campo ne ha, aggiungo se le gradisci alcune considerazioni:

Sulla tecnicità, dipende dal tipo di manifestazione: in quel caso te lo hanno consigliato come tecnico ed effettivamente per quel tipo di evento (che scrivi e si intuisce da varie cose) turistico amatoriale, con partecipanti misto Gravel, E-bike(quelle fotografate) e qualche MTB lo era. Fosse stata una GranFondo MTB sarebbe un discreto single track, in un Cross Country lo prenderebbero per un tratto di tutto riposo dove rifiatare.

Sulla luce: è il problema principale. In queste situazioni di bosco con zone fortemente illuminate ed altre in ombra si usa normalmente il flash di cui parliamo dopo, per schiarire il primo piano in modo da poter bilanciare meglio l'esposizione. E' comunque un bel casino. Se si può, come correttamente suggerito da Andrea, meglio scegliere zone più uniformi e di solito sono quelle meno illuminate. Guardando la foto successiva della galleria, nello stesso posto ma con posizione diversa, vedi che hai avuto meno problemi di luce, suppongo perché la porzione fortemente illuminata del fotogramma è inferiore.

Sulla posizione: ovviamente nessuno di noi può valutare quanti spazi avessi per piazzarti, in quelle situazioni di solito sono pochi e strettini. Per me hai fatto bene comunque a metterti lì e nel posto dello scatto dopo. Fossi andato appena dopo il dente dove inizia la discesa che sarebbe la situazione più “classica” come suggerito da Andrea, per scatto laterale, ritengo che guardando i partecipanti difficilmente avresti avuto foto dinamiche con inoltre una luce ancora più complicata da gestire. Questo perché pare di intuire (e lo scrivi pure chiaramente) che qualcuno arrivasse sul dente faticosamente, piede a terra come si intravede (o forse aspettava di avere più spazio in discesa) o alcuni con le gravel proprio spingendo bici. Questo per il livello di manifestazione non agonistica, mentre un atleta di valore sarebbe passato in piena. Resta da valutare se il dente che c'è in cima offrisse una inquadratura in salita migliore di luce e dinamismo o meno, per altri scatti. Ovviamente noi che vediamo qui non lo possiamo sapere.

Sul Flash: non so chi ti abbia detto di non usarlo, ma si sbagliava di grosso. In queste situazioni non c'è altro da fare e si fa nel 90% delle riprese così. Unica controindicazione vera è di non spararglielo in faccia frontale quando sono in discesa all'ombra piena. Da lì, avresti illuminato i bikers da sotto, con lo sguardo rivolto in avanti. Già così non da assolutamente fastidio, se fai laterale piena (come avresti fatto appena sotto il dentino quasi in controluce) non si accorgono assolutamente.

Sui Tempi: anche a me 1/1250 pare un tempo di eccessiva sicurezza in quella situazione. Con luce favorevole (non questa) la riprenderei a 1/800 riducendo drasticamente ISO e accettando un diaframma un po' più aperto. In questa situazione avrei impostato il tempo a 1/640 ISO 1600 (forse anche 800, non ero lì), Flash in HSS a potenza ridotta di uno o due terzi , diaframma qual che viene e accettando magari un lieve micromosso che riduci seguendo il biker nell'azione, in favore di un migliore bilanciamento in ripresa tra luci ed ombre. Casomai mancasse uno stop, in PP lo recuperi. Riduco potenza quando in HSS, perché la criticità quando lo fai, diventa il tempo di ricarica per “beccare” il biker successivo. Se sono lenti in salita scatto anche a 1/500, appena iniziata la discesa 1/640 può andare.

Scusa se ho scritto tanto ma spero ti sia utile. Buona Luce.




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sent on September 28, 2022 (16:52) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

Well Jacopo you were lucky to find the opinion of a top photographer in the industry, print the message above and review it if necessary. More than that then you just need to try, try, make mistakes and try again! Good light

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sent on September 28, 2022 (22:48) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

Alessandro, of course I like it. I upload photos for this very reason!
Thank you very much, I will treasure your suggestions and I am not joking following Andrea's advice about printing your message.
I had bad luck for the light, I was afraid that they would come down at full since at the start they were "very gassed", and even more I was afraid that I would not have time to recharge the flash between one and the other. The first three came by rocket, the others waited on the edge and then went down using the bike as a support side "cliff". :-(
I take advantage of your intervention to say that you have no scruples. Comments for me are super-welcome!
I renew the wishes of Good Light also to Andrea and Buon Lavoro!

avatarsenior
sent on October 05, 2023 (16:23) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

I don't see the ditch

Just look at the expression of the second cyclist and the third undecided about what to do.

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sent on October 05, 2023 (16:29) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

Andrea_Perini
In my career as an amateur granfondista I have participated in dozens of marathon bikes the photos that I (there) made were always on non-technical tracks it is nice for an amateur to see himself in the difficult sections.
The shooting the iso are not important in these photos.

avatarsenior
sent on October 05, 2023 (16:36) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

Andrea bellini, I do not know your experiences on mtb marathons, but I assure you that this path is not a decent single track, just look at the first biker with what attention he proceeds on the path beyond the difficulties continued.

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sent on October 06, 2023 (7:04)


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Ciao Domenico parlo per esperienza ventennale di gare xc,granfondo,ciclocross ma non è il punto, volevo dire che per tratto tecnico si intende qualcosa di oggettivamente tecnico magari con radici, curve in contropendenza, cambi di direzione, sassi, o anche salite da affrontare bilanciando correttamente il peso per non perdere aderenza sulla ruota. Qui vedo un sentiero in discesa dove tenere controllata la velocità della bici, un minimo di attenzione sulla curva a sx e stop.
Purtroppo le e-bike hanno sconvolto un po' le cose da qualche anno perché hanno messo in mano a gente inesperta un mezzo per portarli in cima a salite prima inaccessibili con la conseguenza poi di dover affrontare discese prima impensabili che a volte presentano anche il conto. Forse sta qui il problema, non la tecnicitá del passaggio ma la inadeguatezza di chi lo affronta che come dici tu si può intuire in volto.
Si capisce che sono totalmente contrario a questa rivoluzione (nonché grandissima fortuna dei produttori/commercianti)?MrGreen
Poi se questa era una gara gravel che ci fanno le moto a pedali? E se era una gara gravel che ci fanno i passaggi nei torrenti rocciosi? Triste



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