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Rickshaw, 013159 sent on August 02, 2011 (18:36) by Juza. 187 comments, 36836 views.

, 1/20 f/4.0, ISO 100, hand held. Calcutta, India.

In tutta l'India i rickshaw trainati da persone sono proibiti, tranne che a Calcutta, dove migliaia di persone di tutte le età offrono "servizio taxi" trainando questi carretti. Nota: visto l'interesse suscitato da questa foto, ho aggiunto l'originale, http://s15.postimage.org/ooo6g0rq3/013159o.jpg #Panning #MezziDiTrasporto

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avatarjunior
sent on July 20, 2012 (23:51) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

I understand what Joseph nn nn clear to you

Well, after Juza said it was the result of shutter ps, but you have sustained, leading technical arguments, which is only ps ( "but only to argue that it is not a pan but a blur creative made in ps ... " )

If I clear intervention in ps, I do not understand, however, how can you say that only that.
At least, I assume this is your opinion ... because you would not have otherwise occurred to demonstrate what Juza has already stated, no?
If I have not misunderstood.

But no matter the purpose of the speech, it was just a clarification.

user185
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sent on July 21, 2012 (5:33) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

: Fconfuso ... A 1/20 that moved you want to be in that situation .. No too bad and spread along Tt Frame ... But from that to this result ... ;-)

Ps-nn I'm just questioning anything that nn is a pan ...

user95
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sent on July 21, 2012 (8:07) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

I care little about the panning (even less if with a little help 'naiv), technically. just a little.

I think in the photo humanistic respect for a person, and that's why I spoke.

user185
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sent on July 21, 2012 (9:24) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

On this I agree cn Bafman, I think the tourists, enjoy this service, they should first try to pull the rickshaw ...

avatarsenior
sent on July 21, 2012 (9:43) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

I was immediately struck by this photo, as soon as I joined the forum ..
known that there are two schools of thought on the photo reportage, also because they are already sick (but not sunk) from Bafman!
I personally think that the important is the end result, not the data or how the shooting occurred in PP. What would change our occh, if she won a photo identical with a longer time?

Bafman I read your page on the discussion about the people than the "unfortunate" and I am not much of agreement ...
accept photos taken by great photographers and you do not accept clicks made by newbies, so I wanted to ask you: Do not think that a great photographer before becoming such, has published photos of unfortunate people are not perfect! do not you think that the important is the intention with which you fotografa?? I think we can take a picture blatantly flawed, but taken with the heart and the utmost respect and you can take a picture of a perfect unlucky with the intention to earn money or gain visibility. this is my point of view.

avataradmin
sent on July 21, 2012 (10:14) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

Thank you all for the comments, as long as the tones are these, the comparison is welcome :-)

For starters here is the original! (Click to enlarge)





(Converted from raw with neutral settings, so it's a bit dull photo processed)

As you can see the pan is already clearly present, I have only a little noticeable. At a guess I would say that for the pan directly during shooting I should have used 1/10 ...

I think the picture humanistic respect for a person, and therefore I have spoken.


Is there any way inwhere this photo is disrespectful to the subject of the photograph! I do not think so.

I think the tourists, enjoy this service, they should first try to pull the rickshaw ...


hmmm ... take a trip to Calcutta and then tell me :-)

In reality, few tourists make use of the rickshaw, is half awkward and slow, they are mostly used by locals given the low prices.

Apart from this, India conductors are often rickshaw monstrously harassing soon as they see a potential client, every time I've used these means (those pulled on bike, not directly by hand) because I gave in to the insistence conductor and to give him some money ... not for pleasure, I assure you it's torture travel on thesemeans.

Try it, if you make a trip to Delhi-Varanasi-Kolkata then tell me :-)

avatarjunior
sent on July 21, 2012 (10:57) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

I've always been of the opinion that if we are on a forum , it is IMPORTANT to declare whether a certain effect was done with PS or course.
Otherwise I would have thought this possible panning to 1/20 and then I would have got the wrong idea.

Then, to my personal ethics would NEVER an operation,
I can picture the field and the trash is my BEST friend,
in this case the photograph is turned into an image that is quite another.

I remain always faithful to this my ethics and what makes me continue to improve every ride looking gle desired effect on the field and not at desk ..

Hats off to Emanuele has ALWAYS stated that his "change" even if 99% Of them I would have done ... I DO NOT

Greetings to all ...

Claudio Pia ;-)


avatarsenior
sent on July 21, 2012 (11:46) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

Emphasize, amplify, distort an image through photographic techniques, or through the force of physics using a wide-angle lens are not all that different from doing so with the PP ... once used a little 'chemistry in the darkroom (see why it's called Lightroom software) now you do it with a computer.

A little 'as saying that the Canaletto was an imposter or give reason to those who did not want the picture to be considered art because a portrait painting was done by hand!

It seems to me that transform the picture into a simple sporting event where only valid numbers, technical skills, knowledge of optical physics devoid of extreme importance that the subject sees and imagines what it shows in the picture ... The man, the author, the artist!

For the photo reportageopens another ethical and emotional commit a lot and might not lead anywhere ... The distorted, interpretation, are necessary conditions for a visual testimony or not??

In this photo I see this: the man with his half he defends his life, traditional gestures, immersed in a world that frantically runs away from his human condition

user95
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sent on July 21, 2012 (12:24) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

Juza:
Is there any way that this photo is disrespectful to the subject of the photograph! I do not think so.

The shot that no disrespect, processing, yes, and I thought I was clear. : Fconfuso:

Technically : a true pan would have made a sincere and fresco with the pipe should come out the same.
Involved in the clearance of little help in photoshop make me tenderness is well known, for that matter, but it's my point of view, it matters little here.

Substance photo of street / travel / report :
you can give a cut, a mood, but this had to be the image of the man with his labor reprehensible, not that of a caper sprinter sweaty.

Juza toUnlike most new users remember the disgust that descrivevi returning from India.
And now I can only imagine that you have open and selected photos, found this, sweat poor, and thought, "damn I could have done a better panning, but oh, what's the problem, let's make it more dynamic, more pussy." .. and you started to cut out the poor man. I hope not.

Can irritate my frankness (as you have shown in the past), but when faced with this picture tell us what you press is their monster nag, the inconvenience you had to suffer on these means and the slowness 've found, I feel a certain disappointment ... and a bit 'of bitterness.

So much to Koudelka, and Ghandi.

user95
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sent on July 21, 2012 (12:27) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

ps @ Alebergamini:
have already been hit (but not sunk) from Bafman!

and that is a naval battle?

I agree with what you say and I think it is precisely the reason why this process I do not like FOR NOTHING.
But I invite you to take those posts that did nod and contribute a comment there, and in this respect, because when you say that I " accept photos taken by great photographers and I do not accept photos taken by novices " six widely astray.

avataradmin
sent on July 21, 2012 (12:51) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

a real panning would have made a sincere and fresco with the pipe should come out the same.


Have you seen the original? I marked slightly panning, I have not turned upside down, the panning effect was already marked also in the original shot.

I looked at your photos: if they were a true representation of reality, I would imagine that in Bogota people have gray skin (the result of black and white) or that in many places the people to walk in front of billboards with fuzzy colors (the result of the focus of the lens).

This is to say that the photograph is almost never a true representation but an interpretation: even things accepted by all as the BN or blurred given by apertures create a picture that does not match whatwe see with the naked eye.

The same goes for panning, and zero changes to be made in the field, in PS or half field / half PS as in this case, the result is always the same, it is in any case different from the reality seen by eye but not the "fakes", as it would make a montage.

Of course there will be those who say that the background completely uniform that you can get on the field with a telephoto lens is ethical, while the same result with PS is not: it seems to me, however, really absurd to think that the same results, obtained with two different instruments (but who gives a yield that does not coincide with the human eye), has two "ethical" different.

(As far as I'm concerned I'm not going to blur the sthoroughly with PS, but only because it is much easier to get this effect in the field, not because you consider "evil" that made by PS)

but when in front of this picture tell us what you press is their monstrous nag, the inconvenience you had to suffer on these means and the slowness that you found, I feel great disappointment.


These are pictures that tell what one wants to see us, each judge situations as they like :-)

My personal opinion on what I saw on that trip has not changed, I would not change a thing about what I had written. I am convinced that poverty is not giustichi certain attitudes or traditions such as the barbarian caste ... so much so that the other hand, in countries even more ù poor that I visited, I found people rather exquisite, warm and friendly, despite the condition of life.

avatarsenior
sent on July 21, 2012 (13:33) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

the picture is nice, not at the other photos that can capture and postprodurre Juza, anyway!
With regard to the panning that I notice is that you see a man walking roughly, look at the position of the body and legs and a background in which roughly panning is achieved by panning on a machine formula 1 ;)
So in fact the photos (IMHO) distorts reality, not as objects and subjects taken, but compared to what was happening.
Obviously, each on their own photo does what he wants and that you should not open your mouth (IMHO);
the only thing that I consider correct, is to declare the calculations, which Juza has always done, starting with the famous image of Madagascar with the baobabs! Hats.
Ciaooooooo :)

avatarsenior
sent on July 21, 2012 (14:20) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

in my opinion I find the original better, much more natural panning of a walking man pulling a cart.
that developed in cmq see no intention to distort qlcs in the message that wants to transmit, the first impression I got is a picture of a contrast between the world that runs fast and the slow and poverty to which many are forced.
I agree with those who argue that the elaborate pan is too strong, however, argue Juza in saying that photography is an interpretation and not a faithful transposition of reality, and I think this is also true in the photo reportage, still in cmq than the actual scene, as I said then everyone sees what he wants.
hello

user11487
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sent on July 21, 2012 (14:23) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

View my way .....

For me it is a paning, but only a blur.
Two considerations of what we wanted to get the author: I first want to capture only the cyclist, second, that the more I convincie is a situation of life .... the old cyclist, and that the new car, so the front of the car we are going to show the past and the present.
Talks of pp I do not care for me has value that comes out of the camera.

user95
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sent on July 21, 2012 (15:00) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

I had a look to your photos: If you were a true representation of reality, I would imagine that in Bogota people have gray skin (the result of black and white)


and in fact I have not trumpeted the "faithful representation", but concepts that are obviously educated if they are to take. I close here.

avatarjunior
sent on July 21, 2012 (15:52) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

Juza I like it and I also noticed the panning a little more than they should from the time of shooting but I think a better picture as you normally do with saturating the colors, rather than a black and white for the atmosphere or reduction noise for high ISO or simply a bit of sharpening does not fail, the important fact that it is good and not to alter but to improve what we wanted to capture with our shot. If not then we should all of us to throw any photo editing program, shoot in raw without doing anything (not because this jpeg file if I am editing the photo in the car) and posting photos as they come, and I think that the face anyone. That said personally like the picture, the way has been improved, as had happened with your photo on the Milky Way Baobab, Li is the photo montage was heavy but superbly runto and if there had told you .......... Bravo Juza both your photo and your honesty in the shots. Only one thing when taking photos with the 1Ds MarkIII photos had something more, an atmosphere more exciting than the 7D can you tell me why? Hello and good w. end

avatarjunior
sent on July 21, 2012 (16:20) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

I would imagine that in Bogota people have gray skin (the result of black and white) "

Juza, I understand your position, but talk bn in these terms I do not think it makes much sense.
Thanks for posting the photo natural panning.

At this point, I find (always an extreme) the usual two schools of thought: the unvarnished picture, and photo retouched .. but some consideration if called for.

I do not want the interpreter to Bafman, which I think is expressed too well with his means, but it seems clear his (and other) aversion to any attempt to imbellettamento photo in favor of a standard of beauty, strength, coloration.
When this modus operandi invests then report , the annoyance3E For me (and maybe not just for me) the photo still is still the least worst. Not only because there are these strange streaks behind and in front of the wheels, to expose the artifice, not only because it is such a panning unnatural these considerations are purely photographic. But it is the excess of emphasizing, the exasperated contour-collage effect that isolates the subject beyond what is necessary, the movement from running train, the solution graficizzata where contextualization rather not hurt (see the original picture).

Unfortunately, the man's face moved. Sin.
Of course, with a clouding of the background this defect is less annoying, I admit. The photo came from a car that conceals a little 'wagon, his face crashing against a wall, a situation a little' srepent. I understand that the "cut" what matters seemed to be a solution, then. But at a price-ethical photo (if you want) and still too high aesthetic.

A mission betrayed, basically, it shows in every pixel intention to bypass the bar waiting to score under par score of the popular also in this hole. This seems, regardless of the fact that is or is as well.
Too bad, I say. I consider these as sins of youth (Blessed are you, my sins can only be senility :-(). Shame especially if these pictures are then taken as an example and emulate.

Resume from the original photo, come on! This, trivially or sophistically, has resulted in a stretch.

What SidedI am writing again and again "opinion"? Take it for granted, I hope. ;-)


From my nothingness,
hello.

ps: before anyone that I know I oppose Adams-who-or-other, I confirm my acceptance of in general of all the retouching of the world, even the most extreme. In specific , it is discussed, eh.





avatarsenior
sent on July 21, 2012 (16:42) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

You know Juza,
Just opened, I immediately jumped to the eye excess panning so I wondered if it was better than the original, and in fact I thought I would not be hasty this time and follow all the action.
Turning the page, now I have no doubt that the second aesthetically has a why.
With regard to ethical discourse in reportage photography has long been that one wonders whether it is right or not aestheticise some aspects of life.
This photo is not absolutely dramatizes that moment. for as I see it is a street like many others, for example, of people cycling in London, Rome, New York. would have been different, as another example, if the cart was filled with some human content taken up in a dramatic juncture ...
Well in the case of the second photo no

avatarjunior
sent on July 21, 2012 (16:59) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

I was picking up a couple of points that are entirely personal to propose to the owner of the site (in my humble opinion) better. (the site is already cmq beautifully designed, I enrolled on purpose)
among them was just the idea of ??being able to have a discussion forum where proposed as post-production, posting both files: product and post-product
I think the image in question is not mildly stressed, but definitely accompanied artificially to its final meaning because not sufficiently incisive in the input image (than however is clearly already very significant)
For its part baf-man instead, it has carefully filling the technical data of your photos. (which I really appreciated, but have not satisfied my curiosity from the technical point of view)
this peFcategorie/mostra-017? Explicit = YES

this gentleman more than seventy years ago this thing had it clear.
well vegan instruments and well-being those who grasped the potential for expression, because this is the real research (in all disciplines), and it is these things that new talents are new areas and territories.

avatarsenior
sent on July 21, 2012 (17:26) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)

I wonder: everyone is free to do what they want of their shots (and not only), or not?
I am of the yes, and I am also referring to print a photo, burn it and then take a picture with the ashes ...
Only the fact that the fundamental step of retouching software is not was mentioned on shooting data (even if in fact, calling own shooting data ...) can be objectionable.
Bravo Juza, once you've pulled off a good result, and congratulations because you've had your eye to see the potential of that shot.
Everything else, ethics, morals, etc. ... is chatter.




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