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| sent on September 11, 2018 (12:35) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)
I am not entomologist either, but I have studied the mantis a bit and I believe that the species of empuse present in Europe are basically:
Empusa picking and Empusa bandaged (present both in Italy and in Croatia), Empusa Pennicornis, Hypsicorypha gracilis and Blepharopsis Begging (the last 3 not present in Italy or Croatia).
Hello Neanche io sono entomologo ma ho studiato un po' le mantidi e credo che le specie di Empuse presenti in Europa siano fondamentalmente :
Empusa pennata ed Empusa fasciata (presenti sia in Italia che in Croatia) , Empusa pennicornis, Hypsicorypha gracilis e Blepharopsis mendica (queste ultime 3 non presenti in Italia o Croatia).
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| sent on September 11, 2018 (12:59)
That's strange, this Conehead mantis was photographed in Croatia. I didn't expect any other mantis species there except Mantis religiosa or Ameles heldreichi, but the information about Conehead mantis has been found on the information board in the area this species was found. That's why i started searching there and found those little beautiful creatures. So i know the English name of this mantis directly from the place i found them, not from Internet. On the board there was only an English name Conehead mantis, so i wanted to find out which is the Latin name and found that Conehead is Empusa pennata. |
| sent on September 11, 2018 (15:06)
Poi decidi come vuoi ma questi sono i risultati dal web per Conehead mantis.
Empusa pennata - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empusa_pennata
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Empusa pennata, common names conehead mantis in English and mantis palo in Spanish, is a species of praying mantis in genus Empusa. It can be found in ...
?General information • ?Feeding ecology
Risultati web
Conehead Mantis (Empusa pennata) • iNaturalist.org
www.inaturalist.org/taxa/55122-Empusa-pennata
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Empusa pennata, common names conehead mantis in English and mantis palo in Spanish, is a species of praying mantis in genus Empusa. It can be found in ...
The conehead mantis « Why Evolution Is True
whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/.../the-conehead-mant...
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24 nov 2014 - The photo below shows two specimens of the conehead mantis, Empusa pennata, endemic to southern Europe and Turkey. This lovely ...
Report Empusa pennata, Conehead mantis, mantide religiosa ...
www.claudiopia.it/Report%20Empusa%20Pennata.html
Grazie alla segnalazione dell'amico herpetologo ed ottimo fotografo Fabio Pupin, (http://www.herpfolio.net/) Remo Bernardello ed io, siamo partiti alla volta di ...
Empusa pennata - Mantide religiosa - conehead mantis - Preboggion
www.preboggion.it/Insecta_SP_Empusa_pennata.htm
Empusa pennata, Mantide pennata, Conehead mantis: Fotografia naturalistica con identificazione scientifica binomia (Genere/specie), corredata di nome ...
Empusa pennata, Conehead mantis, Mantis palo Foto % Immagini ...
www.fotocommunity.it/photo/empusa...conehead-mantis-mantis.../30864611
Empusa pennata, Conehead mantis, Mantis palo Foto & Immagine di ciro sansone ? Vedi e commenta gratuitamente la foto su fotocommunity.
Empusa pennata - Mantis palo - Cone-head Mantis | This speci… | Flickr
www.flickr.com/photos/ferranp/5630536802
17 apr 2011 - This species of mantis, although similar in size to the common European ... The life cycle of a Conehead Mantis (Empusa pennata) is unusual ...
Barcelona nature: Cone-head mantis - (barcelona-metropolitan.com)
www.barcelona-metropolitan.com/.../barcelona-life-close...
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28 set 2011 - Lucy Brzoska gets up close and personal with the strange-looking cone-head mantis.
Poi decidi come vuoi ma questi sono i risultati dal web per Conehead mantis.
Empusa pennata - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empusa_pennata
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Empusa pennata, common names conehead mantis in English and mantis palo in Spanish, is a species of praying mantis in genus Empusa. It can be found in ...
?General information • ?Feeding ecology
Risultati web
Conehead Mantis (Empusa pennata) • iNaturalist.org
www.inaturalist.org/taxa/55122-Empusa-pennata
Traduci questa pagina
Empusa pennata, common names conehead mantis in English and mantis palo in Spanish, is a species of praying mantis in genus Empusa. It can be found in ...
The conehead mantis « Why Evolution Is True
whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/.../the-conehead-mant...
Traduci questa pagina
24 nov 2014 - The photo below shows two specimens of the conehead mantis, Empusa pennata, endemic to southern Europe and Turkey. This lovely ...
Report Empusa pennata, Conehead mantis, mantide religiosa ...
www.claudiopia.it/Report%20Empusa%20Pennata.html
Grazie alla segnalazione dell'amico herpetologo ed ottimo fotografo Fabio Pupin, (http://www.herpfolio.net/) Remo Bernardello ed io, siamo partiti alla volta di ...
Empusa pennata - Mantide religiosa - conehead mantis - Preboggion
www.preboggion.it/Insecta_SP_Empusa_pennata.htm
Empusa pennata, Mantide pennata, Conehead mantis: Fotografia naturalistica con identificazione scientifica binomia (Genere/specie), corredata di nome ...
Empusa pennata, Conehead mantis, Mantis palo Foto % Immagini ...
www.fotocommunity.it/photo/empusa...conehead-mantis-mantis.../30864611
Empusa pennata, Conehead mantis, Mantis palo Foto & Immagine di ciro sansone ? Vedi e commenta gratuitamente la foto su fotocommunity.
Empusa pennata - Mantis palo - Cone-head Mantis | This speci… | Flickr
www.flickr.com/photos/ferranp/5630536802
17 apr 2011 - This species of mantis, although similar in size to the common European ... The life cycle of a Conehead Mantis (Empusa pennata) is unusual ...
Barcelona nature: Cone-head mantis - (barcelona-metropolitan.com)
www.barcelona-metropolitan.com/.../barcelona-life-close...
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28 set 2011 - Lucy Brzoska gets up close and personal with the strange-looking cone-head mantis.
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| sent on September 11, 2018 (15:44)
But what do those links and results prove? Do you think the official information board gives the wrong description and the mantis was incorrectly defined by local Croatian scientists and naturalists? Imagine that 5 years ago we didnt have Mantis religiosa in Poland but currently you can find it not only in south areas of Poland, but in the central areas as well. The climate is changing, species are migrating faster than we could expect, so it is not strange that Empusa can be found in Croatia.
Check this scientific document about mantis presence in Croatia: hrcak.srce.hr/file/201332 |
| sent on September 11, 2018 (16:08) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)
Don't make me say things I didn't say....... Of course there is the Empusa in Croatia but it is Empusa pennata and Empusa fasciata....... I think the Empusa pterocnemia just does not exist...... just this! Non farmi dire cose che non ho detto....... certo che esiste l'Empusa in Croatia ma si tratta di Empusa Pennata ed Empusa Fasciata....... credo che la Empusa Pterocnemia proprio non esista...... solo questo ! |
| sent on September 11, 2018 (17:28)
Fabrizio, it's still some misunderstanding. Who said that the species on my pictures is Empusa pterocnemia? Even the title I put for this picture says that it can be pennata. |
| sent on September 11, 2018 (20:25) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)
Ok We do not understand, it does not matter! Peace! ;-) Ok non ci capiamo, non importa ! Pace !  |
| sent on September 11, 2018 (21:26)
I just don't know who mentioned this unknown mantis species you ask about. |
| sent on September 11, 2018 (23:00) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)
@Michalr, I write in English so maybe the problem is clearer. What Fabrizio was saying, I think, is that the name that you put as Picture name ("Empusa petrocnemia"), that seems referred to the subject's species, is inexistent as species. Fabrizio argues instead that the mantis in the picture is, as you said, a Conehead Mantis, whose name is "Empusa pennata" and not what you wrote as title. @Michalr, I write in English so maybe the problem is clearer. What Fabrizio was saying, I think, is that the name that you put as picture name ("Empusa Petrocnemia"), that seems referred to the subject's species, is inexistent as species. Fabrizio argues instead that the mantis in the picture is, as you said, a conehead mantis, whose name is "Empusa pennata" and not what you wrote as title. |
| sent on September 11, 2018 (23:05)
Not sure what you both are talking about. The picture name is Empusa pennata, that's what I put in English version of Juzaphoto site. |
| sent on September 11, 2018 (23:10)
I checked the Italian version and there is the name you mention, don't have any idea why and what wrong is. I titled the photo Conehead mantis (in Latin) and this is what you can see on English Juzaphoto.
Together with my wife we discovered that the issue is on automatic Google translation mechanism which wrongly translates the Latin name of the species. |
| sent on September 11, 2018 (23:30) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)
Ok Thanks to English I understoud whats happen. Ok now it's clear..... It's a conehead mantis and scientific name is Empusa pennata. Some time translators can create misunderstanding :-D Ok Thanks to english I understoud whats happen. Ok now it's clear..... It's a Conehead Mantis and scientific name is Empusa pennata. Some time translators can create misunderstanding  |
| sent on September 12, 2018 (6:42)
This is not over:-) If you look to the scientific document I linked, you can find there that there is no evidence of Conehead mantis presence in Croatia. The biologists discovered that this species was wrongly described in previous scientific documents, and it's indeed Empusa fasciata which has been found in Croatia. I wrote an email to them asking whether there are some news about finding Conehead in Croatia in recent years and they confirmed that there is no Conehead presence, and the mantis on my pictures is Empusa fasciata, common species for Croatia. |
| sent on September 12, 2018 (21:46) | This comment has been automatically translated (show/hide original)
It is true that the Empusa bandaged is the most "common" in Croatia but there is also empusa picking and the one you have resumed is Empusa picking, recognizable in a fairly simple way by the lobes of the median coxe developed in the Empusa bandaged and almost absent in Empusa picking.
E' vero che l'Empusa fasciata è quella più "comune" in Croatia ma c'è anche Empusa pennata e quella che Tu hai ripreso è Empusa pennata, riconoscibile in modo abbastanza semplice dai lobi delle coxe mediane sviluppati in Empusa fasciata e quasi assenti in Empusa pennata.
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| sent on September 12, 2018 (23:24)
Hmm, I sent those pictures to Croatian biologists and they say it's Empusa fasciata. |
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